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Denise Heater
08.01.10, 21:45
I am trying to find any information on Henrik Mickelsson Ollikkala married to Brita Henriksdotter Ollikkala. They had one child that I know of, Brita Henriksdotter Ollikkala b. 1683, d. 20 May 1740 married to Johan Henriksson Vanhainen-Flygare b. 1686, d. 18 April 1759. Any information on the origin of the Ollikkala name would be greatly appreciated.
Thank-you,
Denise
< Any information on the origin of the Ollikkala name would be greatly appreciated. >
The base from the Forename: (in Swedish) Olof, Olav, Olaus
(in Finnish) Olli, Olavi, Uoti, Uolevi
(in English) Oliver, Ollie, Olaf, Olof
--> to the Surname: (in Finnish) Olli, Ollikainen, Ollikka, Ollikkala
--> also to house name or village name (in Finnish) Ollikkala.
BRGS
Denise Heater
09.01.10, 16:19
Thank-you for taking the time to answer my query. What strikes me as odd, is that most of my research on my father's ancestry has been in the Övertorneå area and it appears that the name Ollikkala is in the Eastern provinces of Finland. I wondered if there was a place/farm/village named Ollikkala in Sweden or the Lapland area of Finland. Thank-you.
Best Regards,
Denise
Denise Heater
09.01.10, 17:35
Thank-you for taking the time to answer my query. What strikes me as odd, is that most of my research on my father's ancestry has been in the Övertorneå area and it appears that the name Ollikkala is in the Eastern provinces of Finland. I wondered if there was a place/farm/village named Ollikkala in Sweden or the Lapland area of Finland. Thank-you.
Best Regards,
Denise
Just a thought, could it be a military name?
Just a thought, could it be a military name?
No, Ollikkala is not military name.
It is house/farm name.
Mika J
Denise Heater
09.01.10, 18:24
Hi Mika,
I was looking back at previous posts and found this which made me think it was a military name. It refers to Iisalmi Ollikkala.
http://suku.genealogia.fi/showthread.php?t=5086&highlight=ollikkala
I have to use google translate which is very sad, but I do not know Swedish or Finnish, so something is better than nothing at all I guess. :(
Thank-you,
Denise
Hi Mika,
I was looking back at previous posts and found this which made me think it was a military name. It refers to Iisalmi Ollikkala.
http://suku.genealogia.fi/showthread.php?t=5086&highlight=ollikkala
I have to use google translate which is very sad, but I do not know Swedish or Finnish, so something is better than nothing at all I guess. :(
Thank-you,
Denise
Ok, I understand. Finnish is very difficult language to learn.
But end of surnames -la and -lä means house/farm in Finland.
Military names in Finland were very often in Swedish language as Böök, Berg and so on.
Mika J
< What strikes me as odd, is that most of my research on my father's ancestry has been in the Övertorneå area and it appears that the name Ollikkala is in the Eastern provinces of Finland. I wondered if there was a place/farm/village named Ollikkala in Sweden or the Lapland area of Finland. >
Hi!
You are right. Ollikkala in also in the Northern provinces of Finland in the Ylitornio (Övertorneå) area in Lapland. See in Finnish:
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&source=hp&q=Ylitornio+ollikkala&btnG=Google-haku&meta=lr%3Dlang_fi&aq=f&oq=
Best regards
< What strikes me as odd, is that most of my research on my father's ancestry has been in the Övertorneå area and it appears that the name Ollikkala is in the Eastern provinces of Finland. I wondered if there was a place/farm/village named Ollikkala in Sweden or the Lapland area of Finland. >
Hi!
You are right. Ollikkala in also in the Northern provinces of Finland in the Ylitornio (Övertorneå) area in Lapland. See in Finnish:
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&source=hp&q=Ylitornio+ollikkala&btnG=Google-haku&meta=lr%3Dlang_fi&aq=f&oq=
Best regards
I know some people with name Ollikkala in Ylitornio. They come from Kauliranta/Marjosaari:
http://www.pher.se/marjosaari/Marjosaari-Ollikala-1720-1740.htm
Regards
OBa
I know some people with name Ollikkala in Ylitornio. They come from Kauliranta/Marjosaari:
http://www.pher.se/marjosaari/Marjosaari-Ollikala-1720-1740.htm
Regards
OBa
Ollikkala also here:
http://www.distans.org/anor/anor2/index.html
Ollikala Erik Henriksson
Noteringar: period 1720-1740 Tar över efter fadern och blir husbonde på Ollikala gård i Marjosaari 1719 Period 1741-1760
Far: Ollikala Henrik Mickelsson
Malin Mickelsdotter
Född: 1693
Död: 1780- 6-.. i Marjosaari, Övertorneå f.s. av bröstvärck Blev 87år
Noteringar: Barn döda i unga år: Per 1737-1739
Barn födda i Marjosaari, Övertorneå f.s. (f.b)
Ollikala Mickel Eriksson (http://suku.genealogia.fi/overtornea.html#ollikalamickelersson1722) f. 1722-12-24
Ollikala Brita Eriksdotter (http://suku.genealogia.fi/turtola.html#krantsolofolofsson1721) f. 1726- 4- 6
Ollikala Erik Eriksson f. 1730- 3-17 Troligen tidigt död
Ollikala Henrik Eriksson (http://suku.genealogia.fi/overtornea.html#ollikalahenrikersson1732) f. 1732- 9-23 (mor Malin Jönsdotter? enligt Per Norbergs f.b.)
Ollikala Anna Eriksdotter (http://suku.genealogia.fi/../anor1/korpilombolo.html#mattimickelhenriksson1732) f. 1735- 4-20
Ollikala Erik Henriksson
Noteringar: period 1720-1740 Tar över efter fadern och blir husbonde på Ollikala gård i Marjosaari 1719 Period 1741-1760
Far: Ollikala Henrik Mickelsson
Malin Mickelsdotter
Född: 1693
Död: 1780- 6-.. i Marjosaari, Övertorneå f.s. av bröstvärck Blev 87år
Noteringar: Barn döda i unga år: Per 1737-1739
Barn födda i Marjosaari, Övertorneå f.s. (f.b)
Ollikala Mickel Eriksson (http://suku.genealogia.fi/overtornea.html#ollikalamickelersson1722) f. 1722-12-24
Ollikala Brita Eriksdotter (http://suku.genealogia.fi/turtola.html#krantsolofolofsson1721) f. 1726- 4- 6
Ollikala Erik Eriksson f. 1730- 3-17 Troligen tidigt död
Ollikala Henrik Eriksson (http://suku.genealogia.fi/overtornea.html#ollikalahenrikersson1732) f. 1732- 9-23 (mor Malin Jönsdotter? enligt Per Norbergs f.b.)
Ollikala Anna Eriksdotter (http://suku.genealogia.fi/../anor1/korpilombolo.html#mattimickelhenriksson1732) f. 1735- 4-20
Ollikala Erik Henriksson
Noteringar: period 1720-1740 Tar över efter fadern och blir husbonde på Ollikala gård i Marjosaari 1719 Period 1741-1760
Far: Ollikala Henrik Mickelsson
Malin Mickelsdotter
Född: 1693
Död: 1780- 6-.. i Marjosaari, Övertorneå f.s. av bröstvärck Blev 87år
Noteringar: Barn döda i unga år: Per 1737-1739
Barn födda i Marjosaari, Övertorneå f.s. (f.b)
Ollikala Mickel Eriksson (http://suku.genealogia.fi/overtornea.html#ollikalamickelersson1722) f. 1722-12-24
Ollikala Brita Eriksdotter (http://suku.genealogia.fi/turtola.html#krantsolofolofsson1721) f. 1726- 4- 6
Ollikala Erik Eriksson f. 1730- 3-17 Troligen tidigt död
Ollikala Henrik Eriksson (http://suku.genealogia.fi/overtornea.html#ollikalahenrikersson1732) f. 1732- 9-23 (mor Malin Jönsdotter? enligt Per Norbergs f.b.)
Ollikala Anna Eriksdotter (http://suku.genealogia.fi/../anor1/korpilombolo.html#mattimickelhenriksson1732) f. 1735- 4-20
Ollikala Erik Henriksson
Noteringar: period 1720-1740 Tar över efter fadern och blir husbonde på Ollikala gård i Marjosaari 1719 Period 1741-1760
Far: Ollikala Henrik Mickelsson
Malin Mickelsdotter
Född: 1693
Död: 1780- 6-.. i Marjosaari, Övertorneå f.s. av bröstvärck Blev 87år
Noteringar: Barn döda i unga år: Per 1737-1739
Barn födda i Marjosaari, Övertorneå f.s. (f.b)
Ollikala Mickel Eriksson f. 1722-12-24
Ollikala Brita Eriksdotter f. 1726- 4- 6
Ollikala Erik Eriksson f. 1730- 3-17 Troligen tidigt död
Ollikala Henrik Eriksson f. 1732- 9-23 (mor Malin Jönsdotter? enligt Per Norbergs f.b.)
Ollikala Anna Eriksdotter f. 1735- 4-20
Denise Heater
10.01.10, 01:45
Ok, I understand. Finnish is very difficult language to learn.
But end of surnames -la and -lä means house/farm in Finland.
Military names in Finland were very often in Swedish language as Böök, Berg and so on.
Mika J
Hi Mika,
Thank-you for helping me understand the naming practices. I appreciate it. When I was a teenager my great grandmother only spoke Finnish and she taught me a few swear words in Finnish as that was what interested me at the time. :oo: I am really good at telling someone off in Finn! Now I wish I had taken the language more seriously.
Best Regards,
Denise
Denise Heater
10.01.10, 01:49
< What strikes me as odd, is that most of my research on my father's ancestry has been in the Övertorneå area and it appears that the name Ollikkala is in the Eastern provinces of Finland. I wondered if there was a place/farm/village named Ollikkala in Sweden or the Lapland area of Finland. >
Hi!
You are right. Ollikkala in also in the Northern provinces of Finland in the Ylitornio (Övertorneå) area in Lapland. See in Finnish:
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&source=hp&q=Ylitornio+ollikkala&btnG=Google-haku&meta=lr%3Dlang_fi&aq=f&oq=
Best regards
Julle,
Thank-you! Now I am getting somewhere on this! ;)
Best Regards,
Denise
Denise Heater
10.01.10, 02:15
OBa,
Thank-you for the information...are the Ollikkala's in your family lineage? If so, I would be happy to share what I have with you on his descendants. Henrik Mickelsson Ollikkala is my 8th great grandfather. Private message me your email address.
Best Regards, :)
Denise
OBa,
Thank-you for the information...are the Ollikkala's in your family lineage? If so, I would be happy to share what I have with you on his descendants. Henrik Mickelsson Ollikkala is my 8th great grandfather. Private message me your email address.
Best Regards, :)
Denise
Hi
From this document: www.matarengi-ff.se/Notes/fast_ota.rtf (http://www.matarengi-ff.se/Notes/fast_ota.rtf)
(Nirviä & Ollikala)
Olof Henriksson
Föddes omkr. 1540 och blev husbonde på Nirviä hemman. Han förekommer i längderna åren 1562-1606. Något år skrivs namnet Niverä. Aninesläkten är gammal birkarlasläkt. Vid Ålesborgs lösen 1571 skattar han 3 mark, före 3 penningar och på hemmanet fanns 3 kor, 2 kvigor och 2 får. År 1583 betalar han 22 gräskvastar i tionde. År 1599 fanns på gården 1 häst, 2 tjurar, 10 kor och 2 får och såddes 4 tunnland utsäde. Efter denne Olof synes Ollikkala hemman på Marjasaari ha fått sitt namn.
Quick xlate:
Olof Henriksson
Was born circa 1540 and became a famer at Nirviä house. He appears in the census of the years 1562-1606. For some year he was named Niverä. Family is an old birkarlasläkt. At Åleborgs taxation in 1571 he underestimates 3 Mark, before 3 penny. At the farm there were 3 cows, 2 heifer and 2 sheep. In 1583, he pays 22 grass brooms in the tenth. In 1599 at the farm was 1 horse, 2 bulls, 10 cows and 2, and 4 acres were sown seed. It has turned out this farm Ollikala in Marjosaari has been named after Olof Henriksson.
See Nirviä 1/Nirviä 2 & Ollikala at: http://www.pher.se/marjosaari.htm
OBa
Denise Heater
10.01.10, 17:29
Hi OBa,
You have been very helpful on my query. I am very excited about this information you have posted, and I truly thank-you for all your time and effort. I can't begin to tell you the emails I have sent out to people that I KNOW THEY HAVE INFORMATION, and they've asked me to send them what I have because they will help me, and I do, and I never hear back from them. Some have written books. What is funny about my father's ancestry is that I have knowledge that it leads to a royal line, and I am just trying to figure it out which has been a task as I do not read or write Swedish or Finnish. Words cannot express how helpful you have been, and I am grateful to finally find a member that truly cares. I am always willing to share information I have as it only helps each other climb that family tree. Wish there were more people out there like you. Again, I say thank-you.
Best Regards,
Denise
Ollikkala was farm's name (earlier Nirviä) in Ylitornio municipality Marjosaari village, nowadays Kauliranta village. It is also surname there.
Denise Heater
13.01.10, 05:14
Hi Tormka,
Thank-you for the additional information. It should help to make my search more productive. :) I wondered if Kauliranta was the area, and you have clarified that for me. Thanks again.
Best Regards,
Denise
Hi Tormka,
Thank-you for the additional information. It should help to make my search more productive. :) I wondered if Kauliranta was the area, and you have clarified that for me. Thanks again.
Best Regards,
Denise
Denise, adding this info here as well for others...just in case
Nirfviä homestead & Ollikkala homestead http://www.pher.se/marjosaari.htm
Ylitornio / Kauliranta / Marjosaari
1. Olof Henriksson Niver or Nirviä (Ollikkala) Birkarls 1620
born about 1540 died around 1606 taxation book 1562-1606
2. Mickel Olofsson Nirviä (Ollikkala), Birkarls 1615, 1620, old soldier
born circa 1582, farmer in 1637 taxation book
3. Son Erik Michels. Ollikkala born 1630, taxation book 1655-1667 12-man in 1690
Daughter Britta married Henrik Michels. Kulluvaara
Daughter Karin Ersdotter Ollikkala born 1666 died 9/8/1746 married 25/3/1694 by Erik Ersson Huhtasaari died 1716
Children: Eric born 1700 Huhtasaari
Per, Alta Norway before the year 1720
3. Michel Michelson born 1624, soldier
3. Olof Michelsson born 1623, master of Rova homestead
4. Olof Olfsson born 1650 died 1732. Married 1655 Malin Jönsdotter died 1725
5. Henry Olfsson born 1655. Married Brita
1. Olof born 1580, soldier killed in the Rusian War
1. Henry master of Keksi homestead 1580. Married Agnes. Drowned in 1606
Question: Henrik Michelsson has no record here?
Ollikkala Farm, mantal taxation book/owners
1642-1679 Olof Michel. Ollikkala
1655-1667 Eric Michel. Ollikkala
1680 Olof Olosson?
1681-1690 Erik Michels. Ollikkala
1692-1716 Henry Michels. Ollikkala, son Eric http://www.pher.se/marjosaari/Marjosaari-Ollikala-1720-1740.htm (http://www.pher.se/marjosaari/Marjosaari-Ollikala-1720-1740.htm)
1717-1718 widow Brita
1719-1749 Eric Henriksson
What is not 100% sure is if Erik, Henrik and Olof Michelsons are all brothers, as there is no record of Henrik as a son of Michel Olofsson Nirviä (Ollikkala)?
Denise Heater
14.01.10, 06:50
Dear OBa,
A huge, sincere thank-you for all your effort and time spent! You are awesome! :D:
Best Regards,
Denise
Denise Heater
14.01.10, 17:14
Hi Oba,
Thought I would post this for everyone to see in case there is interest...:) regarding Eric Henricsson Ollicala b. 19.1.1764 married to Anna Gretha Henricsdotter b. 26.8.1761. See OBa's chart below.
Ort: Marjosaari
Gård: Ollikala Tidsperiod: 1781-1800
född
födelseort
gift
död
dödsorsak
Hindrich Ersson Ollicala †
1732 23/9
Marjosari
1796 17/1
slag
Dör 63 år gammal.
Brita Ersdotter †
1724*
1800 31/3
hetsig feber
Dör 64 år gammal.
barn :
Abram
1761 10/12
Marjosari
1800
Se nedan.
Eric
1764 19/1
"
1789
Se nedan.
Sonen
Eric Henricsson Ollicala
1764 19/1
Marjosari
1789
Se ovan.
Anna Gretha Henricsdotter
1761 26/8
Cauliranda
1789
Född Vanhanen.
barn:
Brita Maria
1789 23/12
Marjosari
Eva
1791 28/2
"
Henric
1793 10/12
"
Anna Greta †
1799 jan
"
1800*
Sonen
Abram Henricsson Ollicala
1761 10/12
Marjosari
1800
Se ovan. De flyttar till Pavola i Orjasjärvi.
Greta Aronsdotter
1776 3/3
Marjosari
1800
Född Nirviä.
Inhyses
Michel Ersson Ollicala †
1722 24/12
Marjosari
1749 2/4
1794 okt
ålderdom
Dör 72 år gammal.
Anna Olsdotter †
1723 16/8
Tengeliö
1749 2/4
1795 sept
slag
Dör 72 år gammal.
barn :
Anna
1752 9/1
Marjosari
1800 27/4
Får 2 oäkta barn, se nedan. Gifter sig med änklingen Johan Christoffersson Gertström i Svanstein.
Hindric
1757 21/7
"
Michel
1762 28/1
"
Anna Michelsdotter oäkta barn
Brita
1782 18/10
Marjosari
Fader: Nils Larsson från Nedertorne.
Pehr
1785 17/9
"
Fader: Pehr Aronsson (troligen Nirviä)
Familjeregister Övertorneå 1720-1800, Version 1.0, Per Norberg
I found one more connection to the puzzle! http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif
Erich Henricsson Ollikala b. 19 Jan 1764, d. 8 Apr. 1831 (son of Hindrich Ersson Ollicala, born 23 Sep 1732, died 17 Jan 1796 and Brita Ersdotter b. 1724, d. 31 Mar 1800)
married Anna Gretha Henriksdotter "Vanhanen" b. 26 Aug 1761 Kauliranta, d 1840.
She isthe daughter of Heikki Juhonpoikä Flygare-Vanhainen b. 1713 Kauliranta, d.13 Feb 1795 married 16 Apr. 1741 to Margareta Olovintytär Heikkinmikko b.1724 Ylitornio, d. 30 Mar 1813.
Children of Heikki Juhonpoikä Flygare-Vanhainen and Margareta Olovintytär Heikkinmikko:
1. Johan b. 22 Jun 1742- d.14 Aug 1742
2.Brita b. 24 Aug 1743- d.14 Aug 1807
3.Margareta b.10 Jan 1746- d. 25 Feb 1746
4.Maria b. 7/8 Jul 1748- d.11 Feb 1826
5.Anna b. 12 Feb 1751- d. 30 Mar 1751
6.Henrik b. 17 Aug 1753
7.Eva b. 25 Aug 1756- d. 15 Oct 1810
8.Henrik b. 1758- d. 17 Jun 1836
9.EVA GRETHA b. 26 Aug 1761- d.1840 married to Erich Henricsson Ollikala http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/01.gif
Thank-you again for everything, OBa! You are so awesome! Finally my father's ancestry is making sense and I have you to thank with all your effort and research! :D:
Best Regards,
Denise
SORRY, I guess trying to copy and paste that chart didn't work too well!
Dwain Romsa
11.01.11, 04:50
I am not sure my last submission went through...
I believe Henrik is probably a cousin of my gg grandfather Matts Andersson Ollikkala of Isokyro, Vaasa, Finland.
Dwain Romsa
11.01.11, 06:20
I just checked and my first try did not go through. Here goes again-
If anyone has information about the Ollikkala family from Isokyro, Vaasa, Finland please contact me by response here or direct to dwain*atwy.net. I believe Henrik is a cousin and would like any information that would help tie these immigrants together and also family lineage in Isokyro that goes back to the 1760s. I have a stack of 30 pages of family history information from the Isokyro Parish Records dating from the1790s and back to the 1600 range, but am missing the families from the early to mid 1800s. Please help me fill in the gap.....and I can eventually work the rest in.
My gg grandfather is Matts Andersson Ollikkala of Isokyro, Vaasa, Finland. Born 12 Dec 1864, Christened 15 Dec 1864. Parents are Anders Johansson (Ollikkala) and Lisa Mattsson. He immigrated to the US in June 1887 with many other Finland people of the Vaasa area, first to Youngstown Ohio where he worked in the steel mills for a few years.
Matts soon to be wife, Serafia Johansson Hakala, born 21 March 1862 of Ylistaro, Vassa, Finland, followed him to Ohio arriving in June 1889.
Matts and Serafia married shortly after her arrival and my g grandmother (1) Elise Sofia Ollikkala was born 30 March 1891 in Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio, married Thomas Darrow Richardson 6 May 1909 in Denver Colorado but resided in Elk Mountain Wyoming. Her sister (2) Ida Marie was born 9 Nov 1893, unmarried, died 2 April 1955 at Elk Mountain Wyoming.
Matts had a brother Johan Ollikkala (aka John) B Sep 1859 in Isokyro, Vassa Finland, wife Sanna Lisa (aka Susanna) that immigrated to to the coal mining town of Carbon Wyoming where Matt followed in about 1895. The brothers worked in the coal mines on the Transcontinental Railroad for about three years then took advantage of the 1862 Homestead Act and laid claim to ajoining ranches near Elk Mountain, Wyoming about 1898.
In about 1904 John sold his homestead to Matt and moved to Thurston Co. Washington where he purchased land and remained. John and Susanna had four children (1) Matt Albin Ollikkala, B. 13 Jan 1894 in Carbon, (2) Hilma Marie Ollikkala, B. March 1897 in Carbon, (3) Lisa Elvira Ollikkala (aka Elvira Lizzy) B May 1899 at the Ranch at Elk Mountain and (4) Lillie Ollikkala born at the Elk Mountain Ranch in abt 1903; they also lost one child at a young age-no date given, in the 1900 census, possibly in Finland before immigration.
Matt and Serafia ramained in Elk Mountain and added three more children (3) John A Ollikkala Born 1896 at Carbon Wyoming, unmarried, died 1918 from head injuries from Horse Throw (2) Lempi Ollikkala, Born March 1905 at Hanna Wyoming, Married Mikael Takala in 1935 (3) Mamie Ollikkala, Born 1907 at Hanna Wyoming Married (i) Victor Bruce in 1931 (froze to death in the great blizzard of 1949 while trying to save his livestock and lost his direction in the blinding snow) and (ii) Simon Ogren in 1950. All children remained in the Elk Mountain area.
I also may have found two more brothers/ cousins to Henrik and Matts: From an immigration record I have Jakob Olliikkala, born 1865 in Vassa, Finland, traveled on SS Rollo from Stockholm to Grimsby England then from Liverpool England to NYC arriving 17 Dec 1899 with a destination of his "brothers house" at Diamondville Wyoming. Diamondville is about 150 miles west of Elk Mountain and was a Coal mining town. Any information on these brothers would be greatly appreciated.
As additional note I would also appreciate any help with Serafia Johansson Hakala family of Ylistaro, Vaasa, Finland. Parents are Johan Mattsson Hakala born abt 1836, and Hedvig Isaksson (Isaksdaughter?) born abt 1840 of Ylistaro. Johan and Hedvig may have immigrated to the Ohio area and later to Oregon with the Finnish colony near Astoria Oregon. There are death certificates and headstones for Johan and Hedvig in Oregon that seem to be correct but we are not sure. Johan birth date is 10 years off but Hedvig matches up. I also have a stack of 30 records from the Ylistaro Parish but missing the families that tie together in the 1800s.
Juhani Mäkitalo
12.01.11, 17:51
Talking to O. Barski, he will answer in english (?)
En näe tässä vastauksessasi ollenkaan Brita Henriksdotteria s. 1693.
Kysymys oli Henrik Mikkelsonista kuka hän oli ja mistä ? Edellinen
isäntä n. 1685 - 90 (henkikirjat) oli Erik Mikkelson.
Epämääräisiä tällaiset netissä olevat tutkimukset (tämän Johansonin
tutkimuksen etenkin olen merkinnyt epämääräiseksi)
pher-linkki ei ole toiminut pitkään aikaan !
Kuka oli Henrik Mikkelsonin vaimo ja mistä - en minä vaan tiedä.
Eikö näistä ollut kysymys, en ihmettele, että vastausta ei tule.
JM
Juhani Mäkitalo
12.01.11, 18:03
Forget what I have written, I did not notice that You have started
this coversation allready Jan 2010
JM
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