Researching surname Tiri from Kiiminki

[A Campbell]

Please forgive this Finnish-American for being unable to speak or read Finnish. I am new to this forum and struggling to understand how to use it. I am researching my grandmother, Selma Amalia Tiri,(b: 02/22/1890) who emigrated from Kiiminki to the U.S. in 1909. I have just recently discovered names of her parents, Matti and Kreeta Sofia (Siurva) Tiri. I would like to locate descendants of Selma's siblings: Johan Neri Tiri b: 07/07/1891, Jaakko Jalmari Tiri b: 09/30/1897 and Maria Sofia Tiri b: 11/07/1899. I am only aware of one other sister, Kreeta Josefina b: 12/10/1893 who I have been in contact for many years with her descendants.


Please advise how I can go about researching Selma's siblings. I will be traveling to Finland in September and look forward to visiting the Kiiminki parish to learn more about the Tiri family.


Thank you for any advice or suggestions.

[Jouni Kaleva]

Hello


Your family is easy to locate in the Kiiminki parish communion books.

Here you have something to start with: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=37394622
The lower family, head Matts Henrikson, born on 9th June 1843, is Selma´s father. Matti´s wife here is his first wife Brita Kaisa Johansdaughter Kaattari. They have 4 children at this point.


The publicly accessible records end here by 1877. I have access to another pay-site which reaches until 1905. I´ll return!


I am certain there are some members here, who can guide you further on with this family up to present days!

[Jouni Kaleva]

I found Matti and his first wife in a genealogy book where it shows, that they had 8 children altogether in 1864-1881. Only 3 of those survived until adult life and founded families:


Anna Kaisa b. 17 Dec 1867 (husband Pekka Autio, 2 children)

Riitta Leena b. 1. Jan 1871 (husband Erkki Kontio, 7 children)

Matti b. 24. Jan 1874. (wife Maria Liisa Lehtola, 7 children)

[tellervoranta]

Matti Heikinpka Tirin s.9.6.1843 ensimmäinen vaimo Brita Kaisa Kaattari kuoli 7.2.1886.
Matti avioitui 16.12.1888 Kreeta Sofia Antintytär Siurua s.6.11.1860 Ii kanssa. They had 5 children of which 2 alive adult.

Kreeta Sofia oli lähetyshenkinen ja häntä sanottiin " Tirin Fiia"

Lähde: Kiimingin seurakunnan historia

[Jouni Kaleva]

Matti Heikinpka Tirin s.9.6.1843 ensimmäinen vaimo Brita Kaisa Kaattari kuoli 7.2.1886.
Matti avioitui 16.12.1888 Kreeta Sofia Antintytär Siurua s.6.11.1860 Ii kanssa. They had 5 children of which 2 alive adult.

Kreeta Sofia oli lähetyshenkinen ja häntä sanottiin " Tirin Fiia"

Lähde: Kiimingin seurakunnan historia


Matti´s first wife Brita Kaisa died on 7th Dec 1886 (I checked the date from the original).

Matti remarried on 16th Dec 1888 to Kreeta Sofia Anttisdaughter Siurua, who was born in Ii parish on 6th Nov. 1860. She was "missionary spirited". She was called "Tirin Fiia".

[Jouni Kaleva]

Matti and his 2. wife had the following children, at least:


Selma Amalia b. 22 Feb 1890
Reeta Josefiina 10. Dec 1893
Jaakko Jalmari 30 Sept 1897
Maria Sofia 7. Nov. 1899


There was Johan Iivari, born 7. Jul. 1891, but I suspect he died early since he is not registered with the other children above, in the parish "children´s book" 1898-1905.

[hth]

Hello Anita,

I'll send you e-mail later this week and explain more about these genealogical tables. When waiting you can try to solve the problems - if there are some...

With kindly regards
hth


Taulu 1
I Matti Heikinp Tiri, Louhela
Kanssa-asukas Tiri Nro 8 (9), s. 09.06.1843 Ylikiiminki, k. 08.11.1922 Kiiminki.
1. puoliso: 13.02.1864 Kiiminki
Priita Kaisa Juhont Tiri o.s. Kaattari
s. 04.06.1841 Kiiminki, k. 07.12.1886 Kiiminki. PV 674.
Vanhemmat: Juho Heikinp Kaattari, Isäntä Kaattari Nro 5, s. 13.08.1804 Kiiminki, k. 05.07.1861 Kiiminki. Vihitty 15.04.1831 Kiiminki. Kaisa Reeta Antint Kaattari o.s. Kolehmainen, Perttunen, s. 28.02.1812 Oulujoki, k. 03.08.1867 Kiiminki.
Lapset:
1. Johannes Matinp Tiri, s. 10.09.1864 Kiiminki, k. 20.03.1865 Kiiminki.
2. Reeta Sofia Matint Tiri, s. 17.01.1866 Kiiminki, k. 18.10.1866 Kiiminki.
3. Anna Kaisa Matint Autio o.s. Tiri, s. 17.12.1867 Kiiminki. Tauluun 2
4. Riitta Leena Matint Kontio o.s. Tiri, Louhela, s. 01.01.1871 Kiiminki. Tauluun 4
5. Matti Matinp Tiri, s. 24.01.1874 Kiiminki. Tauluun 6
6. Juho Matinp Tiri, s. 17.03.1877 Kiiminki, k. 05.07.1877 Kiiminki.
7. Reeta Josefiina Matint Tiri, s. 13.08.1878 Kiiminki, k. 15.10.1889 Kiiminki.
8. Maria Liisa Matint Tiri, s. 19.08.1881 Kiiminki, k. 30.06.1885 Kiiminki.

2. puoliso: 16.12.1888 Kiiminki
Reeta Sofia Fiia* Antint Tiri o.s. Siurua
s. 06.11.1860 Ii, k. 22.06.1934 Kiiminki.
Lapset:
9. Selma Amalia Matint Tiri, s. 22.02.1890 Kiiminki. //Amerikkaan Hanko 12.06.1909 Astrea, määränpää Calumet MI//.
10. Juho Iivari Matinp Tiri, s. 07.07.1891 Kiiminki, k. 16.12.1896 Kiiminki.
11. Reeta Josefiina Matint Tiri, s. 10.12.1893 Kiiminki.
12. Jaakko Arvid Matinp Tiri, s. 15.10.1895 Kiiminki, k. 19.12.1895 Kiiminki.
13. Jaakko Jalmari Matinp Tiri, s. 30.09.1897 Kiiminki, k. 30.08.1917 Kiiminki.
14. Maria Sofia Matint Tiri, s. 07.11.1899 Kiiminki, k. 02.11.1923 Kiiminki.
15. Juho Iivari Matinp Tiri, s. 27.01.1903 Kiiminki, k. 13.07.1928 Kiiminki.


Taulu 2 (taulusta 1, isä Matti Tiri, Louhela)
II Anna Kaisa Matint Autio o.s. Tiri
s. 17.12.1867 Kiiminki. /Rantsilaan 25.11.1918/.
Puoliso: 10.02.1889 Kiiminki
Pekka Pekanp Autio
Talokas Autio 16:7 Pikkuautio, s. 22.09.1865 Kiiminki.
Vanhemmat: Pekka Pekanp Autio, Jämsä, Luukela, Talollinen Autio Nro 18, s. 14.04.1833 Haukipudas, k. 12.06.1868 Kiiminki. Vihitty 21.06.1861 Kiiminki. Kaisa Erkint Saarela, e Autio o.s. Haarajoki, s. 02.11.1839 Kiiminki, k. 03.02.1891 Kiiminki.
Lapset:
1. Maria (Miina) Helena* Anna-Kaisant Kuivala, e Jämsä, Pikkujämsä o.s. Autio, aik. Tiri, s. 24.07.1887 Kiiminki. Tauluun 3
2. Kaarle Aleksanteri Pekanp Autio, s. 21.07.1895 Kiiminki. Rantsilaan 25.11.1918.


Taulu 3 (taulusta 2, äiti Anna Autio)
III Maria (Miina) Helena* Anna-Kaisant Kuivala, e Jämsä, Pikkujämsä o.s. Autio, aik. Tiri
s. 24.07.1887 Kiiminki, k. 15.04.1967 Paavola. //Paavolaan leskenä, haudattu Hp ulkopaikkakuntalaisena. Kiimingin lastenkirjassa etunimet Miina Helena, Haukiputaan rippikirjassa Maria Helena//. Asuinpaikka Paavola 1938 < Haukipudas 1920 < Rantsila 1918 < Haukipudas 1907.
1. puoliso: Kiiminki?
Juho Henrik Pekanp Jämsä, Pikkujämsä
Maanviljelijä Pikkujämsä Nro 31 Harjula, s. 22.08.1878 Haukipudas, k. 04.09.1936 Haukipudas. Kuollut Kalajoella haukiputaalaisena, haudattu Hp. Asuinpaikka Haukipudas 1920 < Rantsila 1918.
Vanhemmat: Pekka Heikinp Pikkujämsä, Kauppila, Talokas Pikkujämsä Nro 31 (1885-1900), s. 05.10.1846 Kiiminki, k. 07.08.1900 Haukipudas. Vihitty 08.11.1874 Haukipudas. Liisa Matint Pikkujämsä, Kauppila o.s. Meriläinen, s. 31.12.1852 Haukipudas, k. 17.03.1909 Haukipudas.

2. puoliso:
Juho Matti Kuivala


Taulu 4 (taulusta 1, isä Matti Tiri, Louhela)
II Riitta Leena Matint Kontio o.s. Tiri, Louhela
s. 01.01.1871 Kiiminki, k. 11.11.1930 Kiiminki.
Puoliso: 26.07.1896 Kiiminki
Erkki Pekanp Kontio
Talollinen Kontio Nro 11, s. 26.07.1872 Kiiminki, k. 14.06.1943 Kiiminki.
Vanhemmat: Pekka Pekanp Kontio, Talollinen Kontio Nro 11, s. 28.06.1826 Kiiminki, k. jälkeen 1900 Kiiminki. Vihitty 24.04.1846 Kiiminki. Elsa Stiina Pentint Kontio o.s. Ponto, s. 01.02.1827 Kiiminki, k. 24.06.1896 Kiiminki.
Lapset:
1. Lilja Erkint Kontio, s. 13.02.1900 Kiiminki, k. 12.03.1905 Kiiminki.
2. Ester Erkint Kontio, s. 13.03.1902 Kiiminki, k. 25.03.1907 Kiiminki.
3. Ivar Erkinp Kontio, s. 21.01.1904 Kiiminki, k. 11.05.1905 Kiiminki.
4. Risto Erkinp Kontio, s. 27.02.1906 Kiiminki. Tauluun 5
5. Lilja Erkint Kontio, s. 31.07.1909 Kiiminki, k. 13.01.1950 Kiiminki.
6. Rauha Esteri Erkint Kontio, s. 09.11.1911 Kiiminki, k. 08.05.1912 Kiiminki.
7. Saimi Erkint Kontio, s. 30.10.1918 Kiiminki, k. 31.10.1918 Kiiminki.


Taulu 5 (taulusta 4, äiti Riitta Kontio)
III Risto Erkinp Kontio
Sotamies, Maanviljelijä, s. 27.02.1906 Kiiminki, k. 17.10.1944 26.SotaS (Suistamo). PV 3426.
1. puoliso:
Liisa Dagmar Juhont Kontio o.s. Isokanniainen, Haipus
s. 25.12.1902 Kiiminki, k. 01.12.1934 Kiiminki. PV 3437.
Vanhemmat: Juho Jalmari Juhonp Isokanniainen, Talollinen Isokanniainen Nro 5, s. 14.04.1874 Kiiminki, k. 04.07.1917 Kiiminki. PV 1648. Vihitty 08.07.1898. Briita Liisa Heikint Isokanniainen o.s. Pohjola, s. 12.02.1876 Muhos, k. 24.07.1940 Kiiminki.

2. puoliso:
Saimi Mirja* Juhont Huru, e Kontio o.s. Katiska
Keskuksenhoitaja, s. 21.11.1917 Kiiminki, k. 31.12.1999 Kiiminki.
Vanhemmat: Juho Antinp Katiska, Kaattari, Talollinen Mikkonen Nro 7, s. 04.09.1873 Kiiminki, k. 26.03.1932 Kiiminki. Vihitty 04.12.1892 Kiiminki. Helena Vilhelmiina Niilont Katiska o.s. Mikkonen, s. 01.11.1874 Kiiminki, k. 30.07.1949 Kiiminki.


Taulu 6 (taulusta 1, isä Matti Tiri, Louhela)
II Matti Matinp Tiri
Pienviljelijä Tiri Nro 8 Vanha-Kuusela Kotajärvi, s. 24.01.1874 Kiiminki, k. 10.04.1956 Kiiminki.
1. puoliso: 12.11.1898 Kiiminki
Maria Maija* Liisa Matint Tiri o.s. Lehtola
s. 24.03.1877 Kiiminki, k. 30.01.1912 Kiiminki.
Vanhemmat: Matti Simunanp Lehtola, Tiri, Talollinen Tiri Nro 8 Lehtola, s. 18.09.1846 Kiiminki, k. 28.03.1933 Kiiminki. Vihitty 18.04.1874 Kiiminki. Anna Paavont Lehtola o.s. Kaattari, s. 11.03.1850 Kiiminki, k. 14.05.1906 Kiiminki.
Lapset:
1. Niilo "Alalan/Alajärven Niilo" Matinp Tiri, s. 26.08.1899 Kiiminki. Tauluun 7
2. Matti Juhani Jussi* Matinp Tiri, s. 26.06.1901 Kiiminki. Tauluun 8
3. Anna Josefiina Matint Tiri, s. 15.11.1902 Kiiminki, k. 16.12.1904 Kiiminki.
4. Yrjö Henrik Matinp Tiri, s. 29.06.1904 Kiiminki, k. 14.02.1905 Kiiminki.
5. Hilja Maria Matint Tiri, s. 30.03.1906 Kiiminki, k. 05.04.1909 Kiiminki.
6. Eeva Elisabet Matint Liikanen o.s. Tiri, s. 24.12.1907 Kiiminki. Tauluun 9
7. Kalle Väinö Matinp Tiri, s. 22.12.1909 Kiiminki. Tauluun 10
8. Sakari Matinp Tiri, s. 20.01.1912 Kiiminki, k. 09.05.1912 Kiiminki.

2. puoliso: 16.03.1913 Kiiminki
Emilia Pekant Tiri o.s. Tikka
s. 28.02.1890 Kiiminki, k. 04.10.1964 Kiiminki. Lapseton.
Vanhemmat: Pekka Pekanp Tikka, s. 21.04.1850 Kiiminki. Vihitty 29.04.1877 Kiiminki. Kaisa Erkint Tikka o.s. Koistinahonniemi, s. 20.10.1850.


Taulu 7 (taulusta 6, isä Matti Tiri)
III Niilo "Alalan/Alajärven Niilo" Matinp Tiri
s. 26.08.1899 Kiiminki, k. 30.12.1963 Haukipudas. Asuinpaikka Kello < Alajärvi.
Puoliso:
Iida Karoliina Tiri o.s. Määttä
s. 18.05.1896 Kuusamo, k. 09.07.1963 Haukipudas.


Taulu 8 (taulusta 6, isä Matti Tiri)
III Matti Juhani Jussi* Matinp Tiri
Mökkiläinen, s. 26.06.1901 Kiiminki, k. 08.07.1987 Kiiminki. Asuinpaikka Kirkonkylä.
Puoliso:
Jenni Elisabet Jaakont Tiri o.s. Vuoti
s. 03.04.1902 Lumijoki, k. 06.03.1995 Kiiminki.
Vanhemmat: Jaako Vuoti, Torppari. Kaisa Vuoti.


Taulu 9 (taulusta 6, isä Matti Tiri)
III Eeva Elisabet Matint Liikanen o.s. Tiri
s. 24.12.1907 Kiiminki, k. 24.01.1974 Oulu.
Puoliso:
Kaarlo Eemil Eemeli* Jeremiaanp Liikanen
"Nivalan Liikanen", s. 15.01.1903 Haukipudas, k. 08.09.1971 Oulu. Asuinpaikka Oulu Myllyoja < Sydänmaa Martimo Nivala.
Vanhemmat: Jeremias Jaakonp Liikanen, Mökkiläinen Jukuri Nro 26 Kello Martimo, s. 23.06.1869 Pudasjärvi, k. 17.06.1951 Haukipudas. Vihitty 18.11.1893 Kiiminki. Sofia Antint Liikanen o.s. Talkkunamaa, s. 28.03.1868 Kiiminki, k. 19.04.1953 Haukipudas.


Taulu 10 (taulusta 6, isä Matti Tiri)
III Kalle Väinö Matinp Tiri
Talollinen Tiri Nro 8:17 Peltola Tirinkylä (1947-), s. 22.12.1909 Kiiminki, k. 28.02.1978 Kiiminki.
Puoliso: 12.04.1936 Kiiminki
Aino Katariina Erkint Tiri o.s. Tiri, Rasi-Kontio
s. 19.08.1911 Kiiminki, k. 06.05.2007 Kiiminki.
Vanhemmat: Erkki Erkinp Tiri, Rasi-Kontio, s. 24.01.1875 Kiiminki, k. 01.12.1956 Kiiminki. Vihitty 06.01.1897 Kiiminki. Liisa Vilhelmiina Yrjönt Tiri, Soronen, s. 11.06.1876 Kiiminki, k. 25.12.1961 Kiiminki.

[A Campbell]

Thank you so much to the Suku Forum members (Jouni Kaleva, Tapio Hanhela and Tellervo Ranta) who have been so generous of their time to research my grandmother's family (Selma Tiri) in Kiiminki. I am just overwhelmed with appreciation for your kindness.


It was very important to me to discover my great grandparents' names and their dates of death. Thank you for that information. I'm assuming they are buried at the Kiiminki cemetery, so will be anxious to visit their graves. My grandmother, Selma, only was able to make one trip back to Finland in 1929 to visit family. I always wondered if she was able to see her parents at that time. It seems her father had already died (1922), but her mother was still living at that time. That touches my heart. I have always felt sad about the Finnish immigrants who came to America and were unable to ever see their families again due to the cost of that long journey.



I know Selma was happy to see her sister, Kreeta Josefina, again when visiting Finland in 1929. She was known to us as Aunt Greta, and my mother and I spent much time with her in 1964 when we visited Finland. Kreeta's married name is Kaakkuvaara, and she moved with her husband (cannot remember his first name) to Kemijarvi. They only had one son, Raimo Kaakkuvaara. Raimo and his wife (also cannot remember her name....we called her Sonni) raised five children. I have only kept in touch since 1964 with their eldest son, Kari Kaakkuvaara, who still resides in Kemijarvi. Aunt Greta and her husband, also son and wife are all buried in Kemijarvi.



Regarding Selma's other five siblings, it's sad to see they all died at a young age. Two died as children and three lived to be age 20, 23 & 25. I wonder if any of them married and had children before their deaths?


I have a 1947 trip journal of my Aunt (Elma Seppala) who visited Finland and she lists many friends and family members she visited at that time. But I don't know how to begin to sort them out. She mentioned staying with the Kalle Tiri. In 1955 my grandfather, Heikki Hautala, made his only trip back to Finland with his son, Edward Hautala. I have a lot of photos from my grandfather of that trip and friends and family he visited. Again Kalle Tiri is in the photos. When my mother and I visited Finland in 1964 we also visited Kalle Tiri. So I am very curious where Kalle Tiri fits into my Grandmother's Tiri family?


It was so interesting to receive your explanation, Tapio, of my great grandfather's name Louhela before his family moved from Ylikiiminki to Tirinkyla in 1858. That was quite a revelation!


I was also fascinated with my great grandmother's maiden name, Reeta Sofia (called Fiia) Siurua. Tapio, you found that Fiia's brother August Siurua emigrated to USA about 1894. I remember my grandparents had close friends, August & Elsa Sirvio. Now I am wondering if this Sirvio family changed the spelling of their last name from Siurua to Sirvio, as it is a coincidence that this man's first name is August (perhaps the son of Fiia's brother, August, who emigrated to the USA). Since Selma and her husband were such close friends with the Sirvios, perhaps they were cousins!


Forgive me for boring you with all these family connections, but you have helped me so much in fitting some puzzle pieces together.


I will enjoy looking carefully at the Tables you sent, Tapio. It will take some time, as I don't speak/read Finnish, but will try to figure them out.


Thank you again, and Happy New Year to you all!
Warmest Regards,
Anita Campbell

[TapsaR]

It was very important to me to discover my great grandparents' names and their dates of death. Thank you for that information. I'm assuming they are buried at the Kiiminki cemetery, so will be anxious to visit their graves.



They are probably buried at Jääli cemetery https://www.oulunseurakunnat.fi/jaalin-hautausmaa (1890 - 1961).


Tapio Rekilä

[TapsaR]

Taulu 7 (taulusta 6, isä Matti Tiri)
III Niilo "Alalan/Alajärven Niilo" Matinp Tiri
s. 26.08.1899 Kiiminki, k. 30.12.1963 Haukipudas. Asuinpaikka Kello < Alajärvi.
Puoliso:
Iida Karoliina Tiri o.s. Määttä
s. 18.05.1896 Kuusamo, k. 09.07.1963 Haukipudas.


They are buried at the Haukipudas cemetery http://haudat.genealogia.fi/php/selaus3.php?coun=fi&lang=fi&code=416&alku=T
(Obs! Was Niilo born 28.08.1899?)


Tapio R.

[hth]

Hi Anita,

Kalle Tiri is in Table/Taulu 10, he's a cousin to your mother. He has lived in Tirinkylä. Kalle and Aino got 8 children. I suppose 6 are living still.

Kreeta's married name must have been Kaakkurivaara.

It is possible that Siurua has been changed to Sirvio.

I'll send you email later.

hth

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[A Campbell]

Thank you so much, Tapio Rekila, for sending the name of cemeteries where my grandmother, Selma Amalia Tiri's ancestors are buried. That is so helpful.
Best regards,
Anita Campbell

[Jouni Kaleva]

I was also fascinated with my great grandmother's maiden name, Reeta Sofia (called Fiia) Siurua. Tapio, you found that Fiia's brother August Siurua emigrated to USA about 1894. I remember my grandparents had close friends, August & Elsa Sirvio. Now I am wondering if this Sirvio family changed the spelling of their last name from Siurua to Sirvio, as it is a coincidence that this man's first name is August (perhaps the son of Fiia's brother, August, who emigrated to the USA). Since Selma and her husband were such close friends with the Sirvios, perhaps they were cousins!


Thank you again, and Happy New Year to you all!
Warmest Regards,
Anita Campbell


Hi


Browsing obituaries for August Sirvio, I found this one: https://obittree.com/obituary/us/michigan/hancock/memorial-chapel-funeral-home/senja-joki/1914354/


Looks like the couple August Sirvio and Elsa Sirvio nee Kinnunen would be the right one? Senja Joki, born in 1915, was their daughter.


Now, Sirviö is a Finnish surname on its own right. The name Siurua must be quite complicated to pronounce or spell in English, so there would be a motive to change it into something else. Why, then, choose Sirvio, which is no easier?


I can find in the passport records, some Aka Sirvio, who travelled to US in 1893. Aka is no real first name, it sounds like a pet name. It may be an abbreviation of August.


In the meanwhile, August Siurua, who went to US in 1894, returned home in 1900, for a short time at least, he participated in the communion in 1900. The records are not open to follow after year 1900, so I don´t know, if he returned to US.

[TapsaR]

Hei!
Tuossa Priita Kaisan testamentti: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=76970957


Tapio R.