Matti Myllylä, Rantsila b: 1836(7?)

[NotFinnishButMarriedOne]

English:
I need help finding my wife's family line in Finland. The first family member in America who came from Finland was named as 'Matti Miller' living in Eagle River, Michigan in 1900. Supposedly there is a book that says he came from Rantsila but we're still trying to acquire this book. I believe I found a birth record for him here (http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5816370) which shows a Matts Myllyla born to a Johan and Anna in Rantsila in 1837. I am bad at reading these documents but I'm curious if someone here can help us with our search! Thank you for any help you can provide!

Rantsila census document showing family: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815122
This document seems to imply Johan and his wife Anna came from somewhere else (Ort.). Is this correct? Where are they from?


Suomalainen:
Tarvitsen apua vaimoni perheen löytämisessä Suomessa. Ensimmäinen perheenjäsen Amerikassa, joka tuli Suomesta, nimettiin nimellä "Matti Miller", joka asui Eagle Riverissa Michiganissa vuonna 1900. Oletettavasti on olemassa kirja, jonka mukaan hänet tuli Rantsilasta, mutta yritämme edelleen hankkia tämän kirjan. Uskon, että olen löytänyt hänelle syntymäpäiväkirjan (http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5816370), joka näyttää Johan ja Annan syntyneen Matts Myllyla Rantsilassa vuonna 1837. Olen huono kun luet näitä asiakirjoja, mutta olen utelias, jos joku täällä voi auttaa meitä hakujemme avulla! Kiitos mahdollisesta avusta! Olen pahoillani, että suomalainen on kauhea!

Rantsilan väestörekisteri, jossa esitetään perhe: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815122
Tämä asiakirja näyttää vaikuttavan Johan ja hänen vaimonsa Anna tuli jonnekin muualta (Ort.). Onko tämä oikein? Mistä he ovat kotoisin?

[aaaalto]

English:
Rantsila census document showing family: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815122
This document seems to imply Johan and his wife Anna came from somewhere else (Ort.). Is this correct? Where are they from?


Yes, Ort is swedish for place. In this case I believe it points to the house, where the person was born or from where he came. You can find both Lampila and Suorsa in this index listing (http://en-dot-digihakemisto.appspot.com/index_ay?amnimeke=Rantsilan+seurakunnan+arkisto&sarnimi=Rippikirjat&aynimi=Rippikirjat+1832-1838+%28IAa%3A9%29&ay=884961&sartun=94686.KA&atun=184747.KA&hakid=23602). Lampila can be spelled Lambela, Lambila, Lampila, Lampela ...

Son of Bonden Johan Johansson Leskinen and her wife Lisa was born on the 8th of October 1804 and named Johan. http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815946

Here they are in the previous Rantsila Communion book (Rippikirja) 1824-1831: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5814833

And the next one, 1839-1845: http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815486
"Till Kiuruvesi 39" and "Återkommen ifrån Kiuruvesi1844". So they moved to the Kiuruvesi parrish 1839 and returned 1844. Earlier Johan was "Bonde" or farmer with some sort of ownership to the land. Now he is "Inh", Inhysing, that means no land at his use, not a very high social status as such.


Arno

[aaaalto]

Anna Andersdotter 9.7.1799 is possibly from Tyrnävä ("ifr Törnävä 29"). The books of the Tyrnävä parrish were mostly destroyed, when the church was burned in 1865.


Arno

[aaaalto]

Members of the SSHY society (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/index_eng.htm) have access to later Communion books and other books of the Rantsila parrish. Johan Lambela eller Mylly and his family are at least in the next book on page 189.


Arno

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[NotFinnishButMarriedOne]

Wow this is great information! Thank you so much!

[NotFinnishButMarriedOne]

Son of Bonden Johan Johansson Leskinen and her wife Lisa was born on the 8th of October 1804 and named Johan. http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815946


Arno,

I have a question about this. If these people have the surname Myllyla, why would it be as "Leskinen" here?

[aaaalto]

Leskinen is a name from the Savo and Carelia areas in the east, where men and women almost always used their fathers surname.

In the west people often used the name of the house. So their ancestor (or a former resident of a house that was named Leskinen) has come from Savo as Leskinen.

When they moved from Lampela to Myllylä, the name people used to distinguish them changed. "Lampelan Jussi" would now be called "Myllylän Jussi". The names started to stick towards the end of the 19th century and a law regulating surnames was passed about 1920.

Arno

[NotFinnishButMarriedOne]

Leskinen is a name from the Savo and Carelia areas in the east, where men and women almost always used their fathers surname.

In the west people often used the name of the house. So their ancestor (or a former resident of a house that was named Leskinen) has come from Savo as Leskinen.

When they moved from Lampela to Myllylä, the name people used to distinguish them changed. "Lampelan Jussi" would now be called "Myllylän Jussi". The names started to stick towards the end of the 19th century and a law regulating surnames was passed about 1920.

Arno

This is still really complicated for me to understand but at least I know I need to learn more about how the Finnish surname system worked before 1920. Thanks for the explanation and all of the information given so far!

[aaaalto]

Propably Matti moved to Oulu (Uleåborg in swedish) in November 1856 as Matts Johansson Lambela. http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815627

Perhaps you can find him from Oulu (http://en-dot-digihakemisto.appspot.com/index_am?atun=184528.KA&amnimeke=Oulun+seurakunnan+arkisto).

Check the list of people who moved in (inflyttade). "Seurakuntaan muuttaneiden luettelot". It is possible, that he moved to some other parrish, which would make searching very difficult.

You may find him from the Communion books
-Rippikirja 1851-1857 (IAa:26, Palkolliset)
-Rippikirja III 1858-1867
under L as Lambela or perhaps under M as Myllylä. My greatgrandfather moved from the countryside as Oskari Ali-Pörö (the name of the farm) and came to the city of Tampere as Oskari Aalto.


Arno