Abel Johannesen Lambela

[BErikWest]

Hello,
I am seeking information about Abel Lambela (Johannesen), which was together with Eva from Kuusamo in Norway. In 1873 he gets a child called Marie Kristina in Norway. In 1875 he lives with Eva in Nordreisa, Norway. In 1877 they get a boy called Johan Fredrik Lambela in Waidakuba in Russia. Still not married. He go through the ice and die? in Russia just before or after his son is born.

Papers in Norway tells Abel Johannesen born in Siikajoki,Finland in 1834.


When is he born, and who are his parents?

[BErikWest]

A rumour is that Abels father was french. Anyone with information?

[BErikWest]

I have found this, can anyone help med read what is written?

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/oulu/rippikirja_1851-1857_tksrk_ik134_i/261.htm

Lambela, Abel Johannes (Soldier?) born 7.12.1832

Which ort does he come from? and all the way at the end at the column: Afgitt it is a note which i cant read and the year 55?
Anyone good at understanding?

[Mårthen]

Abel was born in Frantsila (called Rantsila nowadays), near Oulu. His wife was born in Haukipudas, near Oulu, too.

But someone else could find out the written at the end.

[Tapio Rautio]

It says he was born in Rantsila/Frantsila, his wife was from Haukipudas,
and they moved to Nedre Kiiminki in 1855.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5816318

Abel on the bottom of the right side.

:)


Tapio

[BErikWest]

Thank you, you are so good:) Where can I find churchbook for Kiiminki (http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/kiiminki/kiiminki.htm) ? I can only find to 1821 but not after on http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/ ?

[Tapio Rautio]

Many, many records to be found here:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/puu.ka

Takes a lot of searching, because the pages are only numbered.
Kiiminki:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9484838

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=9484196


Rantsila:
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5814376

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815122

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815486

:)

Tapio

[tellervoranta]

I have born in Kiiminki and own microfilms from Kiiminki.

1858-1867
Soldier Abel Johansson Wartio or Lambela b.7.12.1832
wife Maria Larsdr Nalkki
daugter Selina Emilia b.2.12.1853 , dies 11.4.1857
son Abel Abelsson b.1.2.1857

1868-1867
daugter Brita b.7.6.1859

1868-1877
Abel b. 7.12.1832 förrymd (disapied)
wife Maria dies 16.1.1875
children alive

1878-1887
Abel Abelsson Lambela b.1.2.1857 was married 29.12.1885 with widow Brita Pehrsdr Wehkaperä, who has two children.

[BErikWest]

thank you thank you. Abel is förrymd? Do you mean disappeared?kadonnut?

Han er altså forsvunnet? savnet? Do you know which year?

If this is correct Abel, then he gets a daughter in norway 1873, and a boy in Russia in 1877. Could this be the explanation for his disapperance.

På norsk:
Kanskje dette er forklaringen? At Abel dro til Norge?

Regards, B. Erik

[BErikWest]

I ask a lot of questions:)
Could you help me with the reading? What is it upper left corner under no 30 Myllylä?
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815122

Georg Muntaleri? And the fathers name is Johan J??? 8.10.1804

[paavo.lohvansuu]

Puntala i Temmes

[tellervoranta]

Abel run away=escape, På norsk: romme,stikke av. about 1868.


thank you thank you. Abel is förrymd? Do you mean disappeared?kadonnut?

Han er altså forsvunnet? savnet? Do you know which year?

If this is correct Abel, then he gets a daughter in norway 1873, and a boy in Russia in 1877. Could this be the explanation for his disapperance.

På norsk:
Kanskje dette er forklaringen? At Abel dro til Norge?

Regards, B. Erik

[BErikWest]

Then he probably went to Norway. Is this information online on internet somewhere? maybe on http://digi.narc.fi ?
Or is this only in your own microfilm?

I wonder that happened with him, and why he ran away, but this is probably not possible to find out.:)

[BErikWest]

Puntaleri i Temmes? okei, what else is the text? befor and after puntaleri? Everything in that column?

[Tapio Rautio]

I think it says:
Innehafves av Bonden
Georg Puntala i Temmes.

Johan Johansson Lambelas wife,
Anna Andersdaughter Suorsa, came from Tyrnävä 1828.

There is a gap in the records of Tyrnävä for that period, so
it´s hard to know what farm she came from...


Tapio

[tellervoranta]

Only in my microfilms. I dont know, why he escaped :confused:. There are Abels or Aapelis like him :eek:

Then he probably went to Norway. Is this information online on internet somewhere? maybe on http://digi.narc.fi ?
Or is this only in your own microfilm?

I wonder that happened with him, and why he ran away, but this is probably not possible to find out.:)

[KariKK]

I wonder that happened with him, and why he ran away, but this is probably not possible to find out.:)

Perhaps he ran away due to the famine of years 1867-68 in Finland.

BR Kari

[BErikWest]

In church book it says Abel is soldier. Is it possible to find more information about him as a soldier somewhere?when did he became soldier and when did he leave?

[BErikWest]

I have some troubles looking

Can anyone help me also with information about Abels father Johan Myllylä? What happens with him? And when is he born?

Here is the information about when Abel is born.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5816318

[Tapio Rautio]

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815486
Rantsila rippikirja 1839-1845
Johan Johansson Lambela b. 08.10.1804 Rantsila
wife Anna Andersdr Suorsa b. 09.07.1799 Tyrnävä
They move to Kiuruvesi ? 1839
　
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5814376
Rantsila rippikirja 1810-1816
Lambela Johan Johansson b. 21.06.1786 Rantsila
wife Vares Lisa Johansdr b. 26.11.1782 Rantsila
son Lambela Johan Johansson b. 08.10.1804 Rantsila

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/rantsila/rippikirja_1794-1801_ik43/83.htm
Rantsila Rippikirja 1794-1801
Lambela Johan Johansson b. 03.03.1761 Rantsila
wife Maria Pålsdr b. 27.05.1759
son Lambela Johan Johansson b. 21.06.1786 Rantsila

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/rantsila/rippikirja_1755-1766_ik43/33.htm
Rantsila rippikirja 1755-1766
Lambela Johan Henriksson b. 1698
wife Margeta Simonsdr b. 1711
son Lambela Johan Johansson b. 20.12.1733 Rantsila
wife Tuomala Brita Christiansdr b. 12.09.1735 Rantsila marriage 09.07.1757 Rantsila
　
http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/rantsila/rippikirja_1786-1793_ik43/55.htm
Rantsila rippikirja 1786-1793
Johans and Brita Christiansdr:s son Lambela Johan Johansson b. 03.03.1761 Rantsila


:)


Tapio

[BErikWest]

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815486

I am really greatful, you are good at finding information. Could anyone even read everything in this after the names? After the name Johan and after the name Anna? And the sentence in the row over the name Johan and in the column ifrån, looks like stasjonerad ifrån K.... 1849?
I cant read the sentence.

I am also interested in what happens with Johan Johan Lambela b 1804. in this part. Does he run away in 1867-1868? Or anr evidence of his death?

Regards, B.Erik

[BErikWest]

And i forgot something. Is Abels brother name Mathis b 1837? Or Mats?

This paper.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815486

[BErikWest]

I need help again. What is it written behind the name Johan Johan Lambela and behind Anna and behind Anders? Behind Anders I think it is written til Uleåborg 1852, but cant read the other things.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5801514

[BErikWest]

Hello, the Abel I am looking dies in Russia around 1878-1880. In Vaidaguba(finnish Vaitolahti (Vaitokupa?)), on the Kola half island. A lot of the norwegians registrated the births and deaths in Vardø, Vadsø church books even if they lived on the russian side, but I cant find Abel there. Abel was finnish. Do anyone know if it was normal to go to Finland to use the church books there? F.ex Utsjoki? Are there any other place?

Regards,
B.Erik

[Lukkari]

Vaitolahti was village of Petsamo (Печенга)

[BErikWest]

Are there any church book from this town? I cant find any?

Regards,
B.Erik

[tellervoranta]

Petsamo is here, in part 21.

http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/3j0est?fi+1037

[Liisa x]

I ask a lot of questions:)
Could you help me with the reading? What is it upper left corner under no 30 Myllylä?
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815122

Georg Muntaleri? And the fathers name is Johan J??? 8.10.1804

The Answer:
Its seems that it is written: Innehaves af ...? Georg Muntaleri Temmes.
Owned by Georg Muntaleri, Temmes. Temmes was/is a neughbouring village to Rantsila.
It is not evident that Johan is relative to Georg. Might it be that the name Muntaleri is a solder name?

[tellervoranta]

Thats Georg (Yrjö) Puntala i Temmes. And then Johan Johansson Lambela..

[BErikWest]

Hello, I go back to the beginning of this thread. I am looking for Abel Johannesen Lambela which lives in Norway in 1875. Papers in Norway tells Abel Johannesen born in Siikajoki,Finland in 1834. The Abel Johanson Lambela I have found is born in Rantsila. As I have understood the river Siikajoki is going through Rantsila. Was it common to use the name of the river if they lived just aside the town or something? Was Frantsila a small place in the 1830-1860? Anyone having any ideas about this? I wonder how to find out if he really is the correct Abel Lambela.

[BErikWest]

Another question. Does Lambela, Lampela mean anything on finnish? As an example, could it mean farmer or something like that, or river or something?

[tellervoranta]

Lampela is perhaps coming from a world lampi=bond.

[Liisa x]

The Abel Johanson Lambela I have found is born in Rantsila. As I have understood the river Siikajoki is going through Rantsila. Was it common to use the name of the river if they lived just aside the town or something? Was Frantsila a small place in the 1830-1860? Anyone having any ideas about this? I wonder how to find out if he really is the correct Abel Lambela.
Rantsila was a small independent "socken" at 1800's. The river Siikajoki runs through Rantsila. It has not been common to add the name of the river on the church archives; the names of the houses have been indicated. Where was Siikajoki mentioned? Coud you indicate a web site of the archives?
There has been a Siikajoki socken by the "Finska viken", between Uleåborg and Brahestad.

Earlier was mentioned for instance this page, where Abel is mentioned. Father Johan was a torpare at Mäkilä.
http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=5815486

"Born in Rantsila by that river"

[Liisa x]

Here is the link to the church archive of Siikajoki, if you need to check it.
> Kirkonkirjat > Siikajoki
http://www.digiarkisto.org/sshy/index.htm

Liisa

[BErikWest]

The information on Abel I found in Norwegian Census 1875. Abel Johannesen born in Sigajaaki Finland living in Skjervøy, Troms, Norway.