Gummerus suku

[petergmdale]

My question is with respect to the Gummerus family. Generally, the first known Gummerus was Josephus Petri Gummerus. He was born in Turku in the 1590s. He was an Assistant Vicar of the Finnish Congregation of Turku – 1624-1628 and from 1630-1643 the Assistant Vicar of Sahalahti. He was the Clergyman of Orivesi 1643-1664. Joseph’s wife was named Skolastika Mattsdotter.

I believe that his father, Petri, was a Cavalryman in Turku who died before 1614. He is also thought to be of Scottish origin.

Does anyone have any information on Joseph’s father Petri? His background? Or that of Joseph’s wife Skolastika Mattsdotter? Thank you.

Regards,

Pete Dale

**In Finnish**

Kysymykseni on suhteessa Gummerus perhe. Yleensä ensimmäinen tunnettu Gummerus oli Josephus Petri Gummerus. Hän syntyi Turussa 1590-luvulla. Hän oli avustaja kirkkoherra Suomen seurakunnan Turku - 1624-1628 ja 1630-1643 Assistant kirkkoherra Sahalahden. Hän oli pappi Oriveden 1643-1664. Josephin vaimo oli nimeltään Skolastika Mattsdotter.

Uskon, että hänen isänsä, Petri, oli ratsumies Turussa joka kuoli ennen 1614. Hän on myös ajatellut olevan Skotlannin alkuperää.

Onko kellään mitään tietoa Joosefin isä Petri? Hänen taustansa? Tai että Josephin vaimo Skolastika Mattsdotter? Kiitos.

Terveisin,

Pete Dale

[petergmdale]

An additional note regarding the origin of Petri, father of Joseph Gummerus, is that one source of corroboration for his Scottish heritage was a guide at the Turku Cathedral. Perhaps Petri, or other members of the Gummerus family, are buried in the Cathedral? Any information, insight or assistance with respect to his ancestry or life would be much appreciated. Further, any information on indexes of individuals buried at Turku Cathedral would be greatly appreciated as well. Kiitos!

Regards,

Pete

[petergmdale]

Greetings, I’d welcome any information on whether units of Scottish Cavalrymen in Swedish service were quartered in Turku during the last part of the 16th century, i.e. 1575-1600. I’m still trying to establish whether there is any basis for the suggestion that Petri (father of Joseph Gummerus) was a Scottish Cavalryman. I know that there is documentary evidence that he was indeed a Cavalryman who died on or before 1614. However, I’m trying to confirm his background. According to a Turku Cathedral guide, he was Scottish. Any assistance would be much appreciated. Thanks! Regards, Pete

[petergmdale]

Greetings,

I’d welcome any information on whether units of Scottish Cavalrymen in Swedish service were quartered in Turku during the last part of the 16th century, i.e. 1575-1600. I’m still trying to establish an evidentiary basis for the suggestion that Petri (father of Joseph Gummerus) was a Scottish Cavalryman. I know that there is documentary evidence that he was indeed a Cavalryman who died on or before 1614. However, I’m trying to confirm his background. According to a Turku Cathedral guide, he was Scottish. Perhaps Petri, or other members of the Gummerus family, are buried in the Cathedral? Any information, insight or assistance with respect to his ancestry or life would be much appreciated.

Further, any information on indexes of individuals buried at Turku Cathedral would be greatly appreciated as well. Kiitos!

Cheers,

Pete

[Marjapuu]

Perhaps you should contact the researchers of the Gummerus-Pihkala genealogy society at
http://www.gummerus-pihkala.fi

Their homepage is only in Finnish, but may be read with a translation tool.

I haven't found any indexes of individuals buried in Turku Cathedral. There are some old tombstones on the floor of the cathedral, most of them so old that they are almost unreadable.

[Marjapuu]

This book may contain some information, it is said to be the most important source of medieval history in Turku: Registrum Ecclesiae Aboensis (also called The Black Book of Turku Cathedral). The book, re-published in 1996, is written in Swedish. I haven't read it, but it can be purchased from bookstores, cost about 130 euros.

http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turun_tuomiokirkon_Mustakirja

[petergmdale]

Thanks Maria!

I will inquire regarding the book you mentioned which certainly looks interesting and hopefully informative. I have also taken your suggestion and sent the following message to the Gummerus Society. Many thanks again and I welcome any additional thoughts, suggestions, etc. I will share on this site any inforrmation I discover of course.

Cheers,

Pete

Message to the Gummerus Society:

“My name is Pete Dale and I’m a lawyer practising corporate law in Toronto, Canada. My mother’s parents immigrated to Canada from Finland. I’m an avid amateur genealogist and have spent quite a bit of time lately working on my mother’s maternal grandmother’s family. I recently again reviewed your Gummerus family website and was wondering if you might, when you have a free moment, answer a few questions I have regarding Josephus Petri Gummerus’ father and whether he was from Scotland or of Scottish background.

In particular, I’m interested in any information on whether units of Scottish Cavalrymen in Swedish service were quartered in Turku during the last part of the 16th century, i.e. 1575-1600. I’m still trying to establish whether there is any basis for the suggestion that Petri (father of Joseph Gummerus) was a Scottish Cavalryman. I know that there is documentary evidence that he was indeed a Cavalryman who died on or before 1614. However, I’m trying to confirm his background. According to a Turku Cathedral guide, he was Scottish. Your thoughts and any assistance would be very much appreciated. Kiitos!”

[Ingeborg Palmén]

A lot of the "Black Book" is in medieval, "monk" latin. The rest in medieval swedish, and that is even worse.
Good luck! Ingeborg

[Kimmo Kemppainen]

If I were you I wouldn't get the Black book unless I were actually interested in the the medieval period. Instead I would get Reinhold von Hausen's excerpts from the Turku cathedral accounts from the 16th and 17th centuries. The book is called

R. HAUSEN, Utdrag ur Åbo domkyrkas räkenskaper 1553-1634.

The book is written in Swedish. The actual accounts are also scanned on the Internet. I will definitely give you a link if you want it, but the old documents are extremely difficult to read unless you are an expert. That's why I recommend the book.
Kimmo Kemppainen

Thanks Maria!

I will inquire regarding the book you mentioned which certainly looks interesting and hopefully informative. I have also taken your suggestion and sent the following message to the Gummerus Society. Many thanks again and I welcome any additional thoughts, suggestions, etc. I will share on this site any inforrmation I discover of course.

Cheers,

Pete

Message to the Gummerus Society:

“My name is Pete Dale and I’m a lawyer practising corporate law in Toronto, Canada. My mother’s parents immigrated to Canada from Finland. I’m an avid amateur genealogist and have spent quite a bit of time lately working on my mother’s maternal grandmother’s family. I recently again reviewed your Gummerus family website and was wondering if you might, when you have a free moment, answer a few questions I have regarding Josephus Petri Gummerus’ father and whether he was from Scotland or of Scottish background.

In particular, I’m interested in any information on whether units of Scottish Cavalrymen in Swedish service were quartered in Turku during the last part of the 16th century, i.e. 1575-1600. I’m still trying to establish whether there is any basis for the suggestion that Petri (father of Joseph Gummerus) was a Scottish Cavalryman. I know that there is documentary evidence that he was indeed a Cavalryman who died on or before 1614. However, I’m trying to confirm his background. According to a Turku Cathedral guide, he was Scottish. Your thoughts and any assistance would be very much appreciated. Kiitos!”

[Kimmo Kemppainen]

If you wish to know about a funeral that took place at the Turku cathedral in 1614, you should go through the cathedral accounts for that year. I'll make it as easy for you as I can: you'll find the accounts for the years 1608 - 1615 behind this link. The link leads you to the Web pages of the Finnish National Archive.

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=1698138

The accounts may be hard to read, but if you want answers, there they are anyway.

Kimmo Kemppainen

Greetings,

I’d welcome any information on whether units of Scottish Cavalrymen in Swedish service were quartered in Turku during the last part of the 16th century, i.e. 1575-1600. I’m still trying to establish an evidentiary basis for the suggestion that Petri (father of Joseph Gummerus) was a Scottish Cavalryman. I know that there is documentary evidence that he was indeed a Cavalryman who died on or before 1614. However, I’m trying to confirm his background. According to a Turku Cathedral guide, he was Scottish. Perhaps Petri, or other members of the Gummerus family, are buried in the Cathedral? Any information, insight or assistance with respect to his ancestry or life would be much appreciated.

Further, any information on indexes of individuals buried at Turku Cathedral would be greatly appreciated as well. Kiitos!

Cheers,

Pete

[petergmdale]

Hi Kimmo,

Many thanks for the advice and link. I will find someone to read it for me as, unfortunately, I’m embarrassingly unilingual! This is a great lead. Kiitos (part of limited Finnish repertoire!).

Cheers,

Pete

[petergmdale]

Greetings,

I’m trying to determine who was the mother of Helena Johansdotter Sinius who married Johannes Henrici Gummerus in approximately 1712. The Finnish National Biography states that Helena’s parents were Johannes Isaaci Sinius and Anna Henriksdotter Corte (see - http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/paimenmuisto/?eid=853 (http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/paimenmuisto/?eid=853)). However, another source states that Helena’s mother was Anna Mathesius (see - http://www.saunalahti.fi/arnoldus/orivesi.html (http://www.saunalahti.fi/arnoldus/orivesi.html)). I understand that Johan Sinius was married to both Anna Corte and Anna Mathesius.

My questions is, was Helena Sinius’ mother Anna Corte or Anna Mathesius? Any assistance is much appreciated and thank you.

Cheers,

Pete

[petergmdale]

Greetings,

One more question this evening. I see references to Anna Gummerus, wife of Jakob Mechelin, being born on June 1, 1704 (see - http://www.genealogia.fi/korjauksia/sursillinsuku1.htm (http://www.genealogia.fi/korjauksia/sursillinsuku1.htm)). I understand that her parents are Johannes Henrici Gummerus (Assistant Vicar of Iisalmi in 1723) and Helena Sinius. They were purported to be married in 1712 (see - http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/paimenmuisto/?eid=853 (http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/paimenmuisto/?eid=853)).

I’m having trouble reconciling these 2 dates, i.e. Anna born in 1704 and her parents being married in 1712. Can anyone explain this discrepancy and if I am on a wrong track in some way. Is it certain that Anna Gummerus’ parents were Johannes Henrici Gummerus and Helena Sinius? Or, perhaps, is the marriage date wrong? Many thanks.

Cheers,

Pete

[Erkki A Tikkanen]

Greetings,

I’m trying to determine who was the mother of Helena Johansdotter Sinius who married Johannes Henrici Gummerus in approximately 1712. The Finnish National Biography states that Helena’s parents were Johannes Isaaci Sinius and Anna Henriksdotter Corte (see - http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/paimenmuisto/?eid=853 (http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/paimenmuisto/?eid=853)). However, another source states that Helena’s mother was Anna Mathesius (see - http://www.saunalahti.fi/arnoldus/orivesi.html (http://www.saunalahti.fi/arnoldus/orivesi.html)). I understand that Johan Sinius was married to both Anna Corte and Anna Mathesius.

My questions is, was Helena Sinius’ mother Anna Corte or Anna Mathesius? Any assistance is much appreciated and thank you.

Cheers,

Pete

Hi Pete,

Helena´s mother was Anna Mathesius, her parents were Henrik Mathesius and Margareta Nicarlus (Henrik Corte junior´s first wife). Henrik Corte did not have any Anna named daughter, there has been some kind of missunderstanding in the names, Anna was Henrik Corte´s stepdaughter, not his own daughter. There is no such a person as Anna Corte, who married Johan Sinius. Henrik Corte junior had an aunt Anna who married Johan Tammelander some years earlier than Johan Sinius married Anna Mathesia.

I took a photo of an old lamp from Iisalmi church some years ago. On the side of that lamp you can read the donators´ names: date 25.3.1696, Johannes I Sinius and Anna H Mathesia.

When she was a widow in Laukaa, her name was still written as Mathesia:

http://www.sukuhistoria.fi/sshy/kirjat/Kirkonkirjat/laukaa/rippikirja_1726-1737_uk400/125.htm

Johan Gummerus married Helena Sinius around 1702, not 1712.

[Erkki A Tikkanen]

Greetings,

One more question this evening. I see references to Anna Gummerus, wife of Jakob Mechelin, being born on June 1, 1704 (see - http://www.genealogia.fi/korjauksia/sursillinsuku1.htm (http://www.genealogia.fi/korjauksia/sursillinsuku1.htm)). I understand that her parents are Johannes Henrici Gummerus (Assistant Vicar of Iisalmi in 1723) and Helena Sinius. They were purported to be married in 1712 (see - http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/paimenmuisto/?eid=853 (http://www.kansallisbiografia.fi/paimenmuisto/?eid=853)).

I’m having trouble reconciling these 2 dates, i.e. Anna born in 1704 and her parents being married in 1712. Can anyone explain this discrepancy and if I am on a wrong track in some way. Is it certain that Anna Gummerus’ parents were Johannes Henrici Gummerus and Helena Sinius? Or, perhaps, is the marriage date wrong? Many thanks.

Cheers,

Pete

Their marriage took place earlier, around 1702, because they had children before 1712. Anna 1704, Henrik 1709 and Kristina 1712. They couldn´t all be illegimate Johan being a man fo church :cool:

I have to check my notes at home, but I am 100 % sure 1712 is not right. I do not know where have they got that year, but it can´t be right.

[petergmdale]

Greetings,

Just a short note to see if any other Gummerus descendents, or folks interested in the family, have had a chance to review the following link to see if they can identify the burial of Josephus Petri Gummerus’ father Pekka? As I’ve previously stated, I have reason to believe that he may have been a Scottish soldier and buried in Turku Cathedral. I’d be interested if anyone is able to review the attached link. Pekka was identified as deceased by 1614 at the latest. Kiitos!

The link that leads to the Finnish National Archive is:

http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=1698138 (http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=1698138)

Cheers,

Pete

[petergmdale]

Greetings,

Does anyone know whether there are any graves for Pihkala or Gummerus individuals identifiable in Turku Cathedral? If so, does anyone have any pictures and can they describe where the graves are located in the Cathedral?

I’m still interested in whether anyone has found a reference to Josephus Petri Gummerus’ father Pekka in the above link. Thank you.

Cheers,

Pete

[petergmdale]

Greetings,

Just checking in to see if there has been any progress or new information with respect to the Gummerus family in the past few years. I’d be most grateful for any update or additional information. Many thanks.

Cheers,

Pete