Platzman / Plagman / Ehrnrooth suku

[petergmdale]

Nimeni on Pete Dale ja asun Torontossa, Kanadassa. Äitini vanhemmat muuttivat Kanadaan Suomessa. Olen innokas amatööri Sukututkijan. Yksi esi-isäni on nimetty Kristoffer Henriksson Platzman. Hän oli omistaja of Haapaniemi maatilan Karkku - 1679-1682. Christofer elämäkerta Akatemian Turun viittaa hänelle Kristoffer Platzman (Christophorus Henrici, Satacundensis) ja toteaa, että hänen vanhempansa olivat mahdollisesti ulosottomiehelle kartanossa Liuksiala ja Kangasalla Henrik Claesson ja NN. Christofer oli ylioppilas Turussa vuonna 1664 (Platzman Xphor. Henrici). Christofer oli tarkastus kirjurina Golgatan Rykmentti lääninhallituksen Turun ja Porin - 1671 -77. Hän oli kruununprinssi ulosottomiehelle Mouhijärvi vuonna 1675 ja sen jälkeen Liuksiala vuonna 1682. Christofer ensimmäinen vaimo (ja minun kantaisä) oli Margareta Eriksdotter ja hänen toinen vaimonsa oli Anna Johansdotter Grubbe.

s. noin. 1650
n. noin. 1674 tai 1675
k. 1686 - Karkun

Ajattelin jos joku on voinut vuodattaa valoa tähän perheeseen tai miten saan tutkimusta edelleen. Olen utelias, onko Henrik Claesson Platzman on Christofer isä? Olen alla esitetyn Ylioppilasmatrikkeli linkkejä sekä Christofer ja Henrik. Suuret kiitokset!

http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=1688

http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=U180


English:

My name is Pete Dale and I live in Toronto, Canada. My mother's parents immigrated to Canada from Finland. I'm an avid amateur genealogist. One of my ancestors is named Kristoffer Henriksson Platzman. He was the Master of Haapaniemi farm in Karkku – 1679-1682. Christofer’s biography from the Academy of Turku refers to him as Kristoffer Platzman (Christophorus Henrici, Satacundensis) and states that his parents were possibly the Bailiff of the Manor House of Liuksiala in Kangasalla Henrik Claesson and N.N. Christofer was a secondary school graduate in Turku in 1664 (Platzman Xphor. Henrici). Christofer was an Inspection Scribe in the Calvary Regiment of the County of Turku and Pori - 1671 –77. He was a Crown Bailiff of Mouhijarvi in 1675 and then Liuksiala in 1682. Christofer’s first wife (and my ancestor) was Margareta Eriksdotter and his second wife was Anna Johansdotter Grubbe.

b.approx. 1650
m. approx. 1674 or 1675
d. 1686 – Karkku

I was wondering if anyone was able to shed any light on this family or how I may research it further. I’m curious whether Henrik Claesson Platzman is Christofer's father? I have set forth below the Ylioppilasmatrikkeli links for both Christofer and Henrik. Many thanks!

http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=1688

http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=U180

[Asko Olavi]

Moi!

Tästä on jo aikaisemmin keskusteltu:

http://finlander.genealogia.fi/sfhswiki/index.php/Suku_2006_05_005494.html

Tässä löytyy talonhaltijaluettelossa: http://users.utu.fi/isoi/talot/karkku.htm

----asko

[petergmdale]

I’d be grateful for any insights on the Platzman family in Finland or Estonia. I’m trying to connect Kristoffer Henriksson Platzman with Henrik Claudii Platzman. It has become clear that Henrik Claudii Platzman is not the same individual as the Bailiff at Kangasala. I summarize below my thoughts on this mystery:

One theory that I have is that Kristoffer Platzman was not born in Finland but, rather, moved there as a child when Henrik Claudii Platzman from Narva was passing through, or some other Platzman who was his father, was passing through on business, etc. I note that Henrik Claudii Platzman was a War Scribe in 1658 (see - http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=U180 (http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=U180)) and that Kristoffer Platzman was an Inspection Scribe of the Mounted Unit of the Turku and Pori Regiment from 1671-1677 (see - http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=1688 (http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=1688)).

I also note that Matti Pesola believes that there is a connection between Berndt Mellin (see - http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=U175 (http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=U175)) and the Platzman family (see - http://finlander.genealogia.fi/sfhswiki/index.php/Suku_2006_05_005494.html (http://finlander.genealogia.fi/sfhswiki/index.php/Suku_2006_05_005494.html) and http://finlander.genealogia.fi/sfhswiki/index.php/Suku_2006_05_005530.html (http://finlander.genealogia.fi/sfhswiki/index.php/Suku_2006_05_005530.html)). One will note that Berndt was from Narva and ended up living in Suoniemi which is where Kristoffer Platzman's wife lived and close to Mouhijarvi, etc.

I also found this reference to Kristoffer: "- Befall:n Christopher Platzman lät 1 gången uplysa för sin herre ryttm:n och baronen Carl Gustaf Creutz Markus Philipssons hemman i Lyllijerfwi, som han kiöpt af sin swåger landzföf:n H:r Harald Oxe." (see - http://www.protsv.fi/ths/finne/tuomiokirjapoiminnat/Tuomiokirjapoiminnat1366-1878.pdf (http://www.protsv.fi/ths/finne/tuomiokirjapoiminnat/Tuomiokirjapoiminnat1366-1878.pdf)). I see that there is a connection with the "Creutz" family and that Berndt Mellin above was also connected with this family.

It appears that Kristoffer had a sister. There is a reference to a Kristina Henriksdotter Platzman who was married to a successor Bailiff of Liuksiala and Kangasala (http://www.genealogia.fi/genos/37/37_96.htm (http://www.genealogia.fi/genos/37/37_96.htm)).

I'd welcome any thoughts on the foregoing. Many thanks.

Regards,

Pete

[petergmdale]

Greetings, I’m still working away on establishing the parentage of Kristoffer Platzman. I have established that he did indeed own Haapaniemi but there is no evidence yet that the actually lived there. I have further established that he did live at Liuksiala at Kangasala from at least 1682. I have found no evidence that he is related to his predecessor as Bailiff of Liuksiala Henrik Claesson. However, I have also found no evidence that he is the son of Henrik Claesson Platzman of Narva. I will keep searching and would be most grateful for any information, thoughts or advice in this research project. Many thanks. Regards, Pete

[Timo W]

Mellin Family.

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00000558/images/index.html?seite=265&fip=193.174.98.30


http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00000558/images/index.html?seite=260&pdfseitex=

Patkul Family.

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00000600/images/index.html?seite=194&pdfseitex=

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00000600/images/index.html?seite=195&fip=193.174.98.30

[petergmdale]

I would welcome anyone's thoughts on the following link (http://users.utu.fi/~isoi/talot/suoniemi.htm (http://users.utu.fi/~isoi/talot/suoniemi.htm)). I shows a Bernhard Berndtsson Mellin as Master of Kulju Kulju ratsutila in Suoniemi from 1677-1682. He later died in Stockholm, Sweden. He was born in Narva. After Bernhard his wife Catarina Lorenzdotter Creutz was the Master from 1682-1687. After Catarina, Bernhard's brother was Master and later his wife who was a sister of Catarina Creutz. In the following link (http://users.utu.fi/~isoi/talot/karkku.htm (http://users.utu.fi/~isoi/talot/karkku.htm)) you will see that Cristopher Platzman is shown as the Master of Haapaniemi Haapaniemi ratsutila 1 from 1681-1682, i.e. he left as Master the same year as Bernhard Mellin above. Cristopher Platzman's daughter Catharina Platzman married Per Paccalenius/Pakkala who was a native of Suoniemi. I have wondered if, perhaps, Cristopher and/or his family lived with the Mellin family? I note that Christopher's eldest son is named Berndt (b. 1672) which is the name of the Master of Suoniemi Mellin's father and they are both connected with Liuksiala/Kangasala as well. Thank you for any assistance!

[petergmdale]

Greetings,

I’ve been continuing my research into the Platzman family. I’ve discovered that Kristoffer Henriksson Platzman had the following children:

1. Berendt (b. 1672 - Mouhijärvi Selkee),

2. Christofer (b. April 12, 1674 - Mouhijärvi),

3. Carl (mother unknown. He lived in Pakkala, Mouhijärvi (source: http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/2u5fr0 (http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/2u5fr0))), and

4. Richard. Richard was the son of Christofer Platzman’s second wife Anna Johansdotter Grubbe.

I’m beginning the think that Kristoffer’s first wife (Margaret Eriksdotter) or his father Henrik’s wife (name unknown) may have been a member of the Creutz or Mellin family as these names run in those families. Kristoffer worked for the Creutz family and seems to have worked with and lived near the Mellin family in Suoniemi, Karkku and Kangasala.

I’d certainly be grateful for any thoughts or information that anyone can provide regarding the Platzman family and many thanks in advance for your time.

Kind Regards,

Pete Dale

[petergmdale]

Greetings,

I’ve been stuck on my Platzman family research for quite a few years now. I am interesting in hiring a professional Finnish genealogist to research the family and background of my ancestor Kristoffer Platzman (please see - http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=1688). Can anyone please kindly recommend a competent researcher who may assist me? Please advise and thank you.

Regards,

Pete

[Pekka Hiltunen]

Greetings,

I’ve been stuck on my Platzman family research for quite a few years now. I am interesting in hiring a professional Finnish genealogist to research the family and background of my ancestor Kristoffer Platzman (please see - http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=1688). Can anyone please kindly recommend a competent researcher who may assist me? Please advise and thank you.

Regards,

Pete

If Platzman, as it has been supposed - according to previous discussions of the item, concerning to the ethymology of the name - had actually been born in a jewish family, there are probably absolutely no one who can tell you more, because it was strictly prohibited for a jew to settle dawn in Sweden at the time in question. So, it is highly recommendable to make done some genetical tests, and studies according to the results of those tests, to get oneself any farther in this very lineage.

With regards
PH

[Pekka Hiltunen]

I’ve been stuck on my Platzman family research for quite a few years now. I am interesting in hiring a professional Finnish genealogist to research the family and background of my ancestor Kristoffer Platzman (please see - http://www.helsinki.fi/ylioppilasmatrikkeli/henkilo.php?id=1688). Can anyone please kindly recommend a competent researcher who may assist me? Please advise and thank you.

What is wrong with the pages here:
http://www.geni.com/people/Kristoffer-Platzman/6000000011218924205
?
Sincerelly
PH